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 Igor.gothampm |
Themed Response |
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Posts: 805 06/25/04 21:40 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
Recently I stumbled on this site with stories
centered on Cass & Tim romances.. One
of the sistersites is centered on Bruce & Dinah romances,
which leads me to the question: "Is Cass/Tim as
ridiculous as Bruce/Dinah or has it got more
potential?"
Since I only know the DC Universe from fanfiction, I'm neutral on this subject. |
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Catwoman Meow |
Re: Themed Response | #1 | ||
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Posts: 6453 06/25/04 22:10 Feline Fatale |
Cass/Tim is much less ridiculous IMO for 2 main
reasons:
1. Tim is significantly more well-adjusted. There's no reason for him not to what-the-hell-let's-try-it with a girl if there is a click. Bruce has issues. Trust issues, loss issues,a nd control issues. ANY relationship is a longshot. Pairing him with an inappropriate woman on top if it takes the chances from slim down to none. 2. Tim & Cass are young. That adds a whole new layer of "why not". It's not forever at that age, it's unlikely it is even long time, although the kids themselves toting either Tim/Steph or Tim/Cass don't see that. |
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Igor.gothampm |
Steph? | #2 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/25/04 22:32 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
Since you've brought up Tim/Steph: why do people
dislike Steph? Because she's an upstart, a whiny kid, ...
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Catwoman Meow |
Re: Steph? | #3 | ||
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Posts: 6453 06/25/04 22:50 Feline Fatale |
I don't know. Maybe someone else can enlighten
us.
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Unregistered(d) |
Re: Steph hatred. | #4 | ||
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Posts: 0 06/25/04 23:32 |
I think there is some resentment over the fact that
she's taking up a fair amount of space in Robin's book.
The recent irrational developments (See Robin 125-127)
tend to make those loyal to Tim absolutely furious so
they take it out on Steph. They assume the best way to
get Tim back in his old job is to kill off Steph. Even if
she did die, it wouldn't solve Tim's real problem. Jack
Drake knows and sounds unstable enough to cause big
trouble if he doesn't get his way about Tim quitting.
Now, killing off Jack might solve the problem although
this group hardly needs another Hamlet.
After Jason's death, it makes NO SENSE for Bruce to take on someone he's already said wasn't good enough to do this at all, as his new Robin. If the writer is smarter than he sounds, Bruce might give a girl, who wouldn't be targeted by the ruthless villain who's after Tim, a temporary assignment as Robin. It's very golden age sounding but, it's the only way I can think of to resolve this mess. I hope they don't kill her off. Her scene with Bruce in the Batmobile was cute. Sassed him right back and stuck her tongue out at him! |
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Igor.gothampm |
Re: Steph hatred | #5 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/26/04 00:06 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
As I said I only know what's happening in the DC
Universe through fanfiction because I haven't got a good
supplier (Can you believe they've got NO serious
bookshops in Antwerp?), nor the money nor the time.
What I gathered was that Jack Drake discovered Tim's alter ego and grounded him. Because Batman needs a Robin, Bruce is now training Steph as replacement. Right? If this is what's happening, I can understand the Step hatred, I don't condone but I understand it. Thanks Susanah for proving once again the irrationality of feelings. Chris, is this why Spoiler is at the moment out of the picture? And what about Tim's current 'relation' with what's her name who kept her cool with her feet packed in Freeze's ice? Call me old fashioned but I don't believe in relations between costumed and non-costumed people (Lois doesn't count, her husband is near invulnerable) and I do think Tim, the most likable, well-adjusted person in the Batclan deserves a nice relationship with a chance of success. Of course, this is just my humble opinion. |
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Chris Dee.gothampm |
Re: Steph hatred | #6 | ||
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Posts: 3928 06/26/04 14:37 Gothamite |
Hey Igor,
There are several theads discussing the Tim/Jack Drake situation in DC Discuss if you wanted to get caught up that way. "Oh My God, They Killed Timmy" is one, but there's at least one other where we get into it. But as you noted, the Steph-resentment predates her actually taking over the Robin role (by quite a bit). I'll buy that she started taking up too much space in Robin's title tho. If so, that would definitely explain the idea for the making-her-robin stunt (And it is a stunt, I'll place very large bets on it. Just look at how none of the other titles - Batman, GK, Identity Crisis - are ignoring it) using the resentment as a starting point. --Or possibly, given DC's trackrecord, using it as a guide to piss off as many readers as possible. Anyway, that is all my uninformed musing. But you asked a CT-specific question, and that I can answer while actually (gasp) knowing what I'm talking about. No, the Steph-Robin in comics has absolutely NOTHING to do with her appearance or not in Cat-Tales. She is just a minor character and only shows up from time to time when her life and activities intersect with the main players. But as we've seen with Azrael, just because they're offstage doesn't mean nothing is happening with them. When Steph returns we'll get caught up on any pertinent developments since we saw her last. For those who don't recall: Stephanie was last seen at the Highland Games, and Spoiler made a brief appearance in the dragnet looking for Joker in An Iceberg Tale. |
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Igor.gothampm |
Re: Oh my god they killed Timmy | #7 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/26/04 18:17 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
Chris, I took a look at the link you mentioned and I
can't thank you enough for Cat Tales, if this is all
happening in the Gotham Post
 
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Chris Dee.gothampm |
Re: Oh my god they killed Timmy | #8 | ||
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Posts: 3928 06/28/04 15:50 Gothamite |
THANK YOU, Igor. That alternative for people who
don't want the Post idiocy is exactly what CT is about. I
am very happy to know it is appreciated.
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The Thundering Monkey |
Re: Oh my god they killed Timmy | #9 | ||
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Posts: 830 06/28/04 16:42 |
Tim say's you're all missing what's really
important in this issue, which is quote "a butt
you can bounce a quarter off of" endquote.
Ahem....I never really had a problem with Steph. They make up a pretty basic teen couple there. A touch of normalcy for a teenager that was already an adult in so many ways. I sort of like the Tim/Cass pairing better though. There's more meat on that bone. Tim and Cass are polar opposites. Tim is well adjusted, Cass is unsociallized. Tim is articulate. Cass barely speaks. Cass is Physical. Tim is Mental. They balance eachother out very well. Besides, Tim is a good kid, and Cass could really use a decent first boyfriend. Ask Shiva. Sure she claims she's fighting for honor, and glory and what not, but I think we all know it's about Wong Fei, that rotten player, asking her to the Spring Formal, then kissing PeiPei behind the gym. Let all men feel the wrath of a woman scorned!!! |
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Igor.gothampm |
Tim/Cass | #10 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/28/04 18:05 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
Monkey, I like Tim/Cass better too. They're
portrayed quite nicely in the Potatoverse-stories. Of
course you have to suffer through a horrible pairing and
the stories on this site will probably never reach Chris'
quality, but nobody's perfect least of all
Bruce/Dinah.
Chris, you're welcome. By the way, I've recently bought "Cats" on DVD. Quote: What's Selina's opinion on "Cats"? I can see her sitting in the audience thinking all the while: "Oh god, why didn't they ask me as choreographer and look at those costumes! Kittlemeier would choke on his schnapps!" |
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Catwoman Meow |
Re: Tim/Cass | #11 | ||
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Posts: 6453 06/28/04 19:00 Feline Fatale |
Glad you asked. Selina found CATS dull. She already
knew T.S. Elliot's poetry (See Cattitude, Selina's origin story) and that left only the
theatrical aspects: the music, costumes and choreography
which you have already noted.
Like many Gothamites, however, she didn't hate the show until it became a tourist force unto itself, where upon grumbling about it became a given. The famous "do that again and I'll set you on fire" which Catwoman delivered to Scarecrow (As related by Harvey in Satori: "not an idle threat") occured one night at the Iceberg when, for reasons surpassing understanding, he began singing Jellicle Cats and wouldn't let off. |
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DarkKnight.gothampm |
Re: Tim/Cass | #12 | ||
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Posts: 941 06/28/04 20:03
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Of course, the saddest part of the Tim/Cass
potential is that the Post has already paired Cass up
once with another teen-hero: Superboy. Yes, you read that
right - Cass was supposedly "dating"
Kon-El for a while.
 And the best part of all was that Bats not only knew about it, but approved and encouraged it, stating something along the lines of: "She needs the experience at being a normal person..." This, from Captain Gruntyhead I-don't-need-no-steenkin'-girlfriend Batman himself... but I digress. I think, honestly, the reason that there hasn't been a lot explored in the Tim/Cass dynamic, especially in the official DC camp, is that it seems too easy - too been-there/done-that. I mean, c'mon: Robin and Batgirl? We've seen this movie already. Hell, we're still seeing it in BOP and Nightwing - though that's a rant best saved for another day... *coughcough*Devinneedstolayoffthecrackpipe*coughcough* I think there's still too much of the Dick/Babs relationship floating around in the pot for a Tim/Cass pairing to add any real flavor. Especially considering how close Tim and Dick are and how close Cass and Babs are - it would really look like Batgirl/Robin, Phase II. That, and I think Cass would chew him up and spit him out - little man-eater that she is.   Actually,
all joking aside, I think that after being with Steph and
the whole helping-the-pregnant-friend,
becoming-her-boyfriend, dealing with her
Daddy-is-a-criminal crap - Tim's more inclinded to stick
with as normal a girl as possible. Cass is too much work
at this point.
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Igor.gothampm |
Phase II | #13 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/28/04 23:20 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
I don't see why they would try to avoid
Batgirl/Robin Phase II. After all, it would give them
enough possibilities to use flashbacks to Batgirl/Robin
Phase I, similar story lines and other things which don't
need much inspiration, originality or quality, the things
The Post lacks most.
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Catwoman Meow |
Re: Phase II | #14 | ||
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Posts: 6453 06/28/04 23:27 Feline Fatale |
Sing it, Brother Igor.
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The Thundering Monkey |
Re: Phase II | #15 | ||
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Posts: 830 06/29/04 00:35 |
It's not Batgirl/Robin Phase II. It's Bizzaro
Batgirl and Robin. This time Robin is the brainy one, and
Batgirl is the Physical Prodigy. They really are very
different people. Batgirl has almost no social
experience, and was raised to be an assasin which already
puts them in a whole different ballpark. It's like
courting Shiva EXTREME DATING!!!!! Where the old
"stretch and yawn" shoulder hug can get
you crippled.
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TriniNaeNae |
Re: Phase II | #16 | ||
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Posts: 887 06/29/04 00:37 |
Hmmmm... as one who, eh em, *attempts* to write for
Cassie, I personally never really saw Tim and Cassie as a
good couple. But then I never thought of them as a couple
in the first place. Any interaction between the two of
them (in the post, granted) in the first place left Tim
weirded out, and Cass, well, you really didn't know. I
really liked it when Cassie and Stephanie were friends in
the post.
As for Superboy, or should he be more appropiately called, "he who shall not be named", I never really remember batman approving, but then I didn't really read that actual issue. As far as I'm concerned, Batgirl would NOT fall for a moronic chatterbox who has superpowers, but NO skills in the martial arts. As for what kind of guy would Cass fall for? From what I've read, both post and CT, a guy who uses instinct is a major turn on. As Cass IS highly physical, she would most appropiately date a guy who is a little more balanced. NaeNae |
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ichigenka.gothampm |
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Posts: 260 06/29/04 03:10 |
ummm balanced you say? well i suggest Connor Hawke,
Ollie's son. You know he's good some of that hot arrow
blood running through him but he's really untested in the
social arena. It's a plus he's a martial artist to boot,
though i'm not sure where his skills fall in comparison
to Cassie.
I'd think it' be funny to see the their first date, and more importantly Ollie's reaction when he finds out that his son is dating one of the Dark Facist's side kicks. He'd probably flip out then scold Connor on not getting to 2nd base on the first date. if you haven't noticed yet i'm a big arrow family fan, mostly because i love the dymatics of the bat/arrow relationships that go from the "fathers" and down the line. --- Long live Ollie, that magnificent bastard  ---
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TriniNaeNae |
Re: Phase II | #18 | ||
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Posts: 887 06/29/04 08:53 |
Was rereading everything and read TM's
"extreme dating" bit. Heh. (You never
will stop making me laugh monkey) Doing the old yawn
thing would probably result in major pain before the guy
even started because of the entire body language thing.
Hate to say it, but guys who hit on Cass are going to
have a harder time pretending that they actually care
about her when they actually just want to get into her
pants (another of the reasons why I didn't care for
"he who shall not be named").
While Batgirl and Robin dating would be a fun read because of the extreme differences, I personally would like the guy to be a non-bat related person. She needs to see more socially than what she gets. NaeNae |
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Igor.gothampm |
Cass/ !?! | #19 | ||
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Posts: 805 06/29/04 10:43 Books. Cats. Life is GOOD |
Not Bat related? I've found a string of stories on
ff.net featuring the absurd couple of the year:
IMPULSE & BATGIRL
 And of course let's not forget the stories exploring the possibilities of a homo- or bisexual batgirl. |
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NS Maestro |
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Posts: 81 06/29/04 12:48 Innocent Bystander |
... And Robin, too. What's this obsession with
making straight characters gay? Do I even want to know?
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